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Reply from paula on December 29, 2009

This is a good point, one that I’ve been pondering all my life. But couldn’t it be possible to live together, and everyone picking up after themselves? There must be a middle way!

Reply from Lynda Hallett on December 29, 2009

I have been reading the previous comments on tidiness and all of the differences.
I grew up in a home with a mother who was obsessive about cleanliness, had no tolerance for any mess.
She was quite unhappy with herself and those around her. She eventually drove most of us away.
When she did live by herself, she had no mess. All was in order, she was still unhappy.

There are points that everyone has made that make total sense to me. I do feel as One said, the internal is reflected in the external. I now live alone, and only I determine how much mess I will have (well, and the 2 cats, who do have their moments). There are days when I am just too tired put everything away. There are days when, (like the past 3 days) I have been painting, and re-arranging. I want to have parts of my home reflect “newness” and beauty into the new year. When I am done, everything will be fresh and things put away and order will prevail.

In response to Paula’s comments, it is difficult, having everyone pick up after themselves.
At what point do we move from, if we see a mess that needs to be cleaned, and just do it - to discussion of other’s responsibilities? I know from personal experience (with my ex-husband who had no concern of what a mess was)it was evident that he just didn’t care. and was quite prepared to “allow” me to do the cleaning on behalf of both of us.

And I think, as Gloria said, God really doesn’t care about a mess. God does care if we are happy with our mess though.

Reply from Jochen on December 29, 2009

In the end, I wonder, ist it all a question of conditioning, different kinds of conditioning? And are we simply rationalizing year after year, trying to justify and establish our personal conditioned preference as the right attitude – while, in reallity, it is as compulsively automatic as everyone else’s? Or ist there some “natural state” of neither obsessive neatness nor careless sloppiness we all gravitate toward? How will love handle things once we give in to it? I think we will be less in our heads and plans and agendas, we will refuse being in a hurry, we will be more present, attentive and responsive, we will not make demands on others but be open to what each present moment of life, each thing or event, each sentient being asks of us. Those who get there first will have to wait for everyone to catch up. If my theory is valid, they won’t mind.

This much about utopia. Looking around and inside, there can be no doubt we are still living in the stone age of feeling more or less subtly forced and of more or less subtly forcing ourselves. But we can imagine something else. We can be confident it’s imminent. Ah, no more force and no more have to.

Reply from emilia on December 29, 2009

That “natural state” is “balance”, inner and outer balance. Nature works as a fair exchange of different attitudes and proclivities, knowing to be One Being, so will be Humanity, I hope. I still have to find out my speciality.

Reply from Lauren on December 29, 2009

I read an article that said that not-neat people are easier to please than their very orderly counterparts, and I realized that everything comes with advantages and disadvantages. I would love to be naturally neat, and I also love that it is easy to please me.

Reply from One on December 29, 2009

When I was in school a friend and I would often sit on the grass and watch life in motion. We would speak about the “Ah, imagine when we have wheels and can drive off anywhere” and the “…have a place of our own and paint the walls any colour and have a cold beer from our own fridge anytime”.

One day we were sitting at one of our places having a cold beer and we said, “Ah remember that time when we were in school and…”

Senora, what point are you making?

I’m convinced that all of us in this world really want one thing - that most of us are discovering what that one thing is, and that everything we think we want, we already have…even that one thing.

Reply from Jochen on December 30, 2009

The point, as Heavenletters keep repeating, is in the “Ah, imagine… Ah, remember…”

Reply from paula on December 30, 2009

“It really really isn’t what happens that makes you unhappy. It is what you tell yourself that what has happened means.” HEAVEN #3307

I think the point is to live in the NOW moment, accepting and enjoying what is.

Reply from Jack van Raders on December 30, 2009

Hey Paula You are a good carpenter You hit the nail right on the head. You yourself make you happy and no one else. It helps of cause if your wife is so fantastic as Mieke is, But with all our strugles in live we make our own life happy. As we become to realise the oneness all will be happy and in pease. Have a Happy new year and love to ALL. Jack

p.s. I just realised My newyear will be a day earlier then most of you Lucky me.