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		<title>By: One</title>
		<link>http://www.godwriting.org/godwriting/points-of-view-simplicity.htm#comment-46233</link>
		<dc:creator>One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When a fruit is ripe, it can be eaten right? When it's unripe it can also be eaten. Which is more, which is smaller, which has greater value? Unripe or ripe?

While driving today I was thinking about levels of awareness and raising one's consciousness as referred to in various yoga practices. The term "levels of awareness" can be compared to a building. It has 7 floors. From each floor you get a different view. On the 7th floor, one is able to see further. One who has reached the 7th floor can move to all levels of the building, with the awareness of what is seen from the 7th floor.

All levels are within the same building.

There is outside and there is inside. From inside there is no duality. From outside there is. Seeing from within, everything is one.

The postings on this blog often send me on the express elevator to the 7th floor! I'm still laughing at Jack's first post about the unspeakable God!

Oceans of Love</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When a fruit is ripe, it can be eaten right? When it&#8217;s unripe it can also be eaten. Which is more, which is smaller, which has greater value? Unripe or ripe?</p>
<p>While driving today I was thinking about levels of awareness and raising one&#8217;s consciousness as referred to in various yoga practices. The term &#8220;levels of awareness&#8221; can be compared to a building. It has 7 floors. From each floor you get a different view. On the 7th floor, one is able to see further. One who has reached the 7th floor can move to all levels of the building, with the awareness of what is seen from the 7th floor.</p>
<p>All levels are within the same building.</p>
<p>There is outside and there is inside. From inside there is no duality. From outside there is. Seeing from within, everything is one.</p>
<p>The postings on this blog often send me on the express elevator to the 7th floor! I&#8217;m still laughing at Jack&#8217;s first post about the unspeakable God!</p>
<p>Oceans of Love</p>
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		<title>By: Marko</title>
		<link>http://www.godwriting.org/godwriting/points-of-view-simplicity.htm#comment-45604</link>
		<dc:creator>Marko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jochen for your thoughts. 
I'm very careful how I word things.  

Regarding contention. Remember that I said that 
"I don’t think that has happened yet,I don’t want it to, so, I’ll put this tape on pause."

That was base purely on my own feelings and no one elses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jochen for your thoughts.<br />
I&#8217;m very careful how I word things.  </p>
<p>Regarding contention. Remember that I said that<br />
&#8220;I don’t think that has happened yet,I don’t want it to, so, I’ll put this tape on pause.&#8221;</p>
<p>That was base purely on my own feelings and no one elses.</p>
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		<title>By: Jochen</title>
		<link>http://www.godwriting.org/godwriting/points-of-view-simplicity.htm#comment-45593</link>
		<dc:creator>Jochen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, I wanted to end by quoting T.S. Eliot, but while trying to enlarge this box, apparently I hit "Submit Comment". Could we move one of the two, either "Submit Comment" or the enlargement corner?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I wanted to end by quoting T.S. Eliot, but while trying to enlarge this box, apparently I hit &#8220;Submit Comment&#8221;. Could we move one of the two, either &#8220;Submit Comment&#8221; or the enlargement corner?</p>
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		<title>By: Jochen</title>
		<link>http://www.godwriting.org/godwriting/points-of-view-simplicity.htm#comment-45591</link>
		<dc:creator>Jochen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Marko, I cannot detect any contention here, not even modest contention. Ideas are expressed, ideas get discussed, there are no boats that must not be rocked. As far as I am concernd, ending this discussion is fine and continuing it is fine. Since I was out of town for two days, I would like to add one more thing.

I don't think this is about learning to add and subtract to become able to understand advanced calculus. I don't think this is about building up at all. We will not find anything new, we will simply remember WHAT IS and always was. In this sense, the more regressive we become, the more advanced we will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Marko, I cannot detect any contention here, not even modest contention. Ideas are expressed, ideas get discussed, there are no boats that must not be rocked. As far as I am concernd, ending this discussion is fine and continuing it is fine. Since I was out of town for two days, I would like to add one more thing.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think this is about learning to add and subtract to become able to understand advanced calculus. I don&#8217;t think this is about building up at all. We will not find anything new, we will simply remember WHAT IS and always was. In this sense, the more regressive we become, the more advanced we will be.</p>
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		<title>By: Marko</title>
		<link>http://www.godwriting.org/godwriting/points-of-view-simplicity.htm#comment-45469</link>
		<dc:creator>Marko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gloria, as I said before I try not to take my own ideas of life too seriously. 


I do like to play with them and that's what we are doing here I feel.   The reed that does not bend will break in the wind.

 

So being flexible even as we continue to explore this concept to me is healthy.

 

So I'm not too attached to even my own ideas about things as new information and new inspiration and new revelation will continue to change how I look at life in a larger more loving and expanded way.

 

I'm just exploring, experimenting here with this concept.  You, I and all of us want to be inclusive of course.

 

A child learning to add and subtract will not understand advanced calculus.  Yet the simple foundation of math are the building blocks a child needs if they desire to advance in mathematics.

 

A child is not ready for advance mathematics, they learn and grow into it.  Yet without teachers to pass on this advanced knowledge how would they learn and advance?



It seems that we can advance in all kinds of things in life but when we advance spiritually or advance in our understanding in life itself, we don't want to acknowledge that?

 

It seems if we are in an awakening process that at some point we will not need to rest or sleep?  Does that not seem like a logical step?

 

Why would life always require sleep, or even food or etc?



Unless we are willing to explore these ideas, we could remain like primitive tribes unchanged for 1000's of years.  That is not a bad thing, that is just not a very progressive thing.

 

We advance technologically so much, does it not stand to reason we should spiritually?

Is not that even more important?


Are we so ego driven that we will not dare say or acknowldge an advanced master when we see one?



Must it always be in a form of a Jesus or Buddha only?



I know a few masters, they are human. I'm not one of them.

 

But you know what?  I do not need to press this concept any further if it is an area of even modest contention with you and others.

 

There may be better times to revisit this, or other places for me to explore it.  I have a keen interest in us spiritually advancing.  Yet not so keen that it's purpose here may become non beneficial at some point.

 

Sometimes you just have to let things rest and move on.  We let these things peculate, distill and grow within. 

 

Who knows another HL another person may sum this uP in one perfect paragraph.  

I think since I started this debate of sorts I'll end it now in hopes of not beating this thing to the point of ill benefit, or ill will, even on a minor level.  

I don't think that has happened yet,I don't want it to, so, I'll put this tape on pause.

 

We can always take it uP again.  As much as I'd like to continue it, it feels better now to drop it (at least for now, and maybe even longer) 

 

I think that a HL or some blog may come into play in the future that will be of much benefit around this and we can allow and envision that happening, without attachment.



Blessing and Appreciations, Love and good will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gloria, as I said before I try not to take my own ideas of life too seriously. </p>
<p>I do like to play with them and that&#8217;s what we are doing here I feel.   The reed that does not bend will break in the wind.</p>
<p>So being flexible even as we continue to explore this concept to me is healthy.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m not too attached to even my own ideas about things as new information and new inspiration and new revelation will continue to change how I look at life in a larger more loving and expanded way.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just exploring, experimenting here with this concept.  You, I and all of us want to be inclusive of course.</p>
<p>A child learning to add and subtract will not understand advanced calculus.  Yet the simple foundation of math are the building blocks a child needs if they desire to advance in mathematics.</p>
<p>A child is not ready for advance mathematics, they learn and grow into it.  Yet without teachers to pass on this advanced knowledge how would they learn and advance?</p>
<p>It seems that we can advance in all kinds of things in life but when we advance spiritually or advance in our understanding in life itself, we don&#8217;t want to acknowledge that?</p>
<p>It seems if we are in an awakening process that at some point we will not need to rest or sleep?  Does that not seem like a logical step?</p>
<p>Why would life always require sleep, or even food or etc?</p>
<p>Unless we are willing to explore these ideas, we could remain like primitive tribes unchanged for 1000&#8217;s of years.  That is not a bad thing, that is just not a very progressive thing.</p>
<p>We advance technologically so much, does it not stand to reason we should spiritually?</p>
<p>Is not that even more important?</p>
<p>Are we so ego driven that we will not dare say or acknowldge an advanced master when we see one?</p>
<p>Must it always be in a form of a Jesus or Buddha only?</p>
<p>I know a few masters, they are human. I&#8217;m not one of them.</p>
<p>But you know what?  I do not need to press this concept any further if it is an area of even modest contention with you and others.</p>
<p>There may be better times to revisit this, or other places for me to explore it.  I have a keen interest in us spiritually advancing.  Yet not so keen that it&#8217;s purpose here may become non beneficial at some point.</p>
<p>Sometimes you just have to let things rest and move on.  We let these things peculate, distill and grow within. </p>
<p>Who knows another HL another person may sum this uP in one perfect paragraph.  </p>
<p>I think since I started this debate of sorts I&#8217;ll end it now in hopes of not beating this thing to the point of ill benefit, or ill will, even on a minor level.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that has happened yet,I don&#8217;t want it to, so, I&#8217;ll put this tape on pause.</p>
<p>We can always take it uP again.  As much as I&#8217;d like to continue it, it feels better now to drop it (at least for now, and maybe even longer) </p>
<p>I think that a HL or some blog may come into play in the future that will be of much benefit around this and we can allow and envision that happening, without attachment.</p>
<p>Blessing and Appreciations, Love and good will.</p>
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		<title>By: Gloria</title>
		<link>http://www.godwriting.org/godwriting/points-of-view-simplicity.htm#comment-45441</link>
		<dc:creator>Gloria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Marko, as you say, how do we know, or anyone know, that more "advanced" spiritual people do not need as much sleep as others? Quite rightly, which one of us can tell who is more spiritually "advanced" and who is not from any world standard. Appearances are only appearances. 

Are not young children more advanced than all of us -- or, at least, most of us. 

God in Heavenletters certainly repeats that it is our hearts that grow. 

Awareness isn't the same as knowledge.

Beloved Marko, I don't know why I seem to have to take another side from yours -- especially when we are are on the same side of wanting good for all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Marko, as you say, how do we know, or anyone know, that more &#8220;advanced&#8221; spiritual people do not need as much sleep as others? Quite rightly, which one of us can tell who is more spiritually &#8220;advanced&#8221; and who is not from any world standard. Appearances are only appearances. </p>
<p>Are not young children more advanced than all of us &#8212; or, at least, most of us. </p>
<p>God in Heavenletters certainly repeats that it is our hearts that grow. </p>
<p>Awareness isn&#8217;t the same as knowledge.</p>
<p>Beloved Marko, I don&#8217;t know why I seem to have to take another side from yours &#8212; especially when we are are on the same side of wanting good for all.</p>
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		<title>By: Marko</title>
		<link>http://www.godwriting.org/godwriting/points-of-view-simplicity.htm#comment-45440</link>
		<dc:creator>Marko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.godwriting.org/godwriting/points-of-view-simplicity.htm#comment-45440</guid>
		<description>Continuing this delightful discussion on advancing.

 

A more advanced spiritual person does not need as much sleep as others.  They are in a sense more awake and need less down time to sleep and rest.  Mary Baker Eddy said "God rest in action"  I like to think that was said to mean that we can rest in action too.

 

It is foolish to advance to forward beyond our understanding, we most likely will pay the price.  Just see how long you can go without eating or sleeping and you will find out real quick the limits we are still bound to.

 

That said one can still be advanced (meaning more aware) and need lots of sleep.  Life is full of exceptions, contradictions, paradoxes and unknowns.

 

Now some Yogis need very little sleep because when they do sleep they go directly to the REM sleep or rapid eye stage.  Doing so, they by pass all the levels of more superficial sleep we go through to get to the potent delicious REM state.  So, because they get there so quickly an hour or two is equivalent quality wise to a full nights sleep.

 

Still, sleep is quite delightful isn't it? Not insomnia, but natural tiredness that relaxes you in a wonderful dreamy way.

 

So I'd say that as we advance in our awareness we will  not need to sleep as much and eventually not at all. 

 

In the mean time of course, we do what's necessary for health, peace and fun activity while blessing and praising and appreciating what ever life presents and displays to us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continuing this delightful discussion on advancing.</p>
<p>A more advanced spiritual person does not need as much sleep as others.  They are in a sense more awake and need less down time to sleep and rest.  Mary Baker Eddy said &#8220;God rest in action&#8221;  I like to think that was said to mean that we can rest in action too.</p>
<p>It is foolish to advance to forward beyond our understanding, we most likely will pay the price.  Just see how long you can go without eating or sleeping and you will find out real quick the limits we are still bound to.</p>
<p>That said one can still be advanced (meaning more aware) and need lots of sleep.  Life is full of exceptions, contradictions, paradoxes and unknowns.</p>
<p>Now some Yogis need very little sleep because when they do sleep they go directly to the REM sleep or rapid eye stage.  Doing so, they by pass all the levels of more superficial sleep we go through to get to the potent delicious REM state.  So, because they get there so quickly an hour or two is equivalent quality wise to a full nights sleep.</p>
<p>Still, sleep is quite delightful isn&#8217;t it? Not insomnia, but natural tiredness that relaxes you in a wonderful dreamy way.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;d say that as we advance in our awareness we will  not need to sleep as much and eventually not at all. </p>
<p>In the mean time of course, we do what&#8217;s necessary for health, peace and fun activity while blessing and praising and appreciating what ever life presents and displays to us.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack van Raders</title>
		<link>http://www.godwriting.org/godwriting/points-of-view-simplicity.htm#comment-45412</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack van Raders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spare us, If God became more advanced he would become human. and we have enough of them here. Gloria Dear Please keep doing what you and God do so absolutely wonderful Love  Jack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spare us, If God became more advanced he would become human. and we have enough of them here. Gloria Dear Please keep doing what you and God do so absolutely wonderful Love  Jack</p>
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		<title>By: Gloria</title>
		<link>http://www.godwriting.org/godwriting/points-of-view-simplicity.htm#comment-45327</link>
		<dc:creator>Gloria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, dear one, we advance. All of us advance,and yet we are all in the same class. I don't think God separates us out. 

God does not become more advanced. To what would God advance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, dear one, we advance. All of us advance,and yet we are all in the same class. I don&#8217;t think God separates us out. </p>
<p>God does not become more advanced. To what would God advance?</p>
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		<title>By: Marko</title>
		<link>http://www.godwriting.org/godwriting/points-of-view-simplicity.htm#comment-45325</link>
		<dc:creator>Marko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.godwriting.org/godwriting/points-of-view-simplicity.htm#comment-45325</guid>
		<description>"I do not change. I do not become more advanced. I AM as I AM."

But you do remember, grow, thus, you become more aware, to me, that's what advanced is. Being more aware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I do not change. I do not become more advanced. I AM as I AM.&#8221;</p>
<p>But you do remember, grow, thus, you become more aware, to me, that&#8217;s what advanced is. Being more aware.</p>
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