Comments on: Heroes and Value Clarification http://www.godwriting.org/godwriting/heroes-and-value-clarification-bob-kearns.htm Listening to The Voice Within Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:54:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: Gloria http://www.godwriting.org/godwriting/heroes-and-value-clarification-bob-kearns.htm#comment-81972 Gloria Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:02:36 +0000 http://www.godwriting.org/godwriting/heroes-and-value-clarification-bob-kearns.htm#comment-81972 Your dad was an inventor! According to the movie, the car manufacturer clearly intended to steal the design and did, in fact, steal the design. The company executive intentionally lied and intentionally stole the design. If it had been a question of the company's making a change to the design, how would the court have fined the company ten million dollars and then later another company (who had also profited from the design but had done no malfeasance that I know of) 30 million or so? The crooked car manufacturer's name was used in the movie. The attorneys for the movie would never have permitted anything that could have brought a suit from the named car manufacturer. In matters of the suit, what was portrayed had to be 100% accurate. What the car manufacturer did was unethical, dishonest, and downright illegal. I am embarrassed for them. Your dad was an inventor!

According to the movie, the car manufacturer clearly intended to steal the design and did, in fact, steal the design. The company executive intentionally lied and intentionally stole the design. If it had been a question of the company’s making a change to the design, how would the court have fined the company ten million dollars and then later another company (who had also profited from the design but had done no malfeasance that I know of) 30 million or so?

The crooked car manufacturer’s name was used in the movie. The attorneys for the movie would never have permitted anything that could have brought a suit from the named car manufacturer. In matters of the suit, what was portrayed had to be 100% accurate.

What the car manufacturer did was unethical, dishonest, and downright illegal. I am embarrassed for them.

]]> By: Joyce http://www.godwriting.org/godwriting/heroes-and-value-clarification-bob-kearns.htm#comment-81969 Joyce Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:33:06 +0000 http://www.godwriting.org/godwriting/heroes-and-value-clarification-bob-kearns.htm#comment-81969 I see that you are investigating moral issues here, and my comment is not relevant to that. But I just want to share something I have learned about patents. My father had numerous patents but never made any money from them. He didn't understand how patents work. He thought you could patent an idea, but you can't. You can only patent a design. Basically a patent protects a manufacturer from having someone do exactly what they are doing. So if have a great idea, you have to become a manufacturer or you won't make any money off it. That's because someone can make a slight change to your design, and then they are no longer violating your patent. I suspect that's what happenned with Bob Kearns. I see that you are investigating moral issues here, and my comment is not relevant to that. But I just want to share something I have learned about patents. My father had numerous patents but never made any money from them. He didn’t understand how patents work. He thought you could patent an idea, but you can’t. You can only patent a design. Basically a patent protects a manufacturer from having someone do exactly what they are doing. So if have a great idea, you have to become a manufacturer or you won’t make any money off it. That’s because someone can make a slight change to your design, and then they are no longer violating your patent. I suspect that’s what happenned with Bob Kearns.

]]> By: Jack van Raders http://www.godwriting.org/godwriting/heroes-and-value-clarification-bob-kearns.htm#comment-81951 Jack van Raders Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:26:17 +0000 http://www.godwriting.org/godwriting/heroes-and-value-clarification-bob-kearns.htm#comment-81951 Money Is dirt but it seems to be very good dirt everthing seems to grow on it. Love you all Jack Money Is dirt but it seems to be very good dirt everthing seems to grow on it. Love you all Jack

]]> By: Lynda http://www.godwriting.org/godwriting/heroes-and-value-clarification-bob-kearns.htm#comment-81908 Lynda Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:09:37 +0000 http://www.godwriting.org/godwriting/heroes-and-value-clarification-bob-kearns.htm#comment-81908 I am just reading this now. If this were a few years ago, I would have done the same thing. It is about integrity. But it should not also be about fighting for 12 years. That is 12 years he could've been doing something positive. He and God know who invented the intermittment wiper (and now so do I :) Like paula, I would have been so proud of him if I were his child. I would not have let him, if I were his wife. But if I were him, I would have taken the money, and doen something else very speacial with it. I am just reading this now.

If this were a few years ago, I would have done the same thing. It is about integrity.
But it should not also be about fighting for 12 years. That is 12 years he could’ve been doing something positive.

He and God know who invented the intermittment wiper (and now so do I :) Like paula, I would have been so proud of him if I were his child. I would not have let him, if I were his wife. But if I were him, I would have taken the money, and doen something else very speacial with it.

]]> By: Gloria http://www.godwriting.org/godwriting/heroes-and-value-clarification-bob-kearns.htm#comment-81905 Gloria Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:07:49 +0000 http://www.godwriting.org/godwriting/heroes-and-value-clarification-bob-kearns.htm#comment-81905 Yes, beloved Paula, there aren't right answers to these questions. There are your answers, and Jochen's and Jack's, and mine. That's what value clarification is about. Why we chose the answers we choose tells us something about ourselves. After reading all your answers, I am looking at this in ways I did not before. I love all your responses. What Jack says is absolutely right. What Jochen says is absolutely right. What you, Paula, say is absolutely right. And Bob Kearns was absolutely right for Bob Kearns. Bob Kearns was not the only one. Many other inventors had had their inventions swiped by big business. Were they right to just swallow it? Did they feel good about themselves? I really think Bob Kearns was a simple good man who saw things clearly the way he saw them. I don't think he fought this just for himself. He was simply incapable of sweeping this under the table. Someone had to fight for the little man. And he did. And he fought through legal means. Yes, beloved Paula, there aren’t right answers to these questions. There are your answers, and Jochen’s and Jack’s, and mine. That’s what value clarification is about. Why we chose the answers we choose tells us something about ourselves.

After reading all your answers, I am looking at this in ways I did not before. I love all your responses. What Jack says is absolutely right. What Jochen says is absolutely right. What you, Paula, say is absolutely right. And Bob Kearns was absolutely right for Bob Kearns.

Bob Kearns was not the only one. Many other inventors had had their inventions swiped by big business. Were they right to just swallow it? Did they feel good about themselves?

I really think Bob Kearns was a simple good man who saw things clearly the way he saw them. I don’t think he fought this just for himself. He was simply incapable of sweeping this under the table. Someone had to fight for the little man. And he did. And he fought through legal means.

]]> By: paula http://www.godwriting.org/godwriting/heroes-and-value-clarification-bob-kearns.htm#comment-81900 paula Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:46:40 +0000 http://www.godwriting.org/godwriting/heroes-and-value-clarification-bob-kearns.htm#comment-81900 I don't know whether there are 'right' answers to these questions. Certainly, if I were his child, I would have been proud of him. But if I were him, maybe I would have accepted the money, or maybe I would not have asked for anything at all. What does it matter who invented the thing? After all, every invention comes from God in the end. My fulfilment would be in being able to improve people's lives. And maybe I would have accepted the money, so I could make other inventions, have further insights from God, to improve people's lives even further. I don’t know whether there are ‘right’ answers to these questions. Certainly, if I were his child, I would have been proud of him. But if I were him, maybe I would have accepted the money, or maybe I would not have asked for anything at all. What does it matter who invented the thing? After all, every invention comes from God in the end. My fulfilment would be in being able to improve people’s lives. And maybe I would have accepted the money, so I could make other inventions, have further insights from God, to improve people’s lives even further.

]]> By: Jochen http://www.godwriting.org/godwriting/heroes-and-value-clarification-bob-kearns.htm#comment-81899 Jochen Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:46:07 +0000 http://www.godwriting.org/godwriting/heroes-and-value-clarification-bob-kearns.htm#comment-81899 I would be beside myself with rage, for quite some time I wouldn't be able tho think of anything but how to wage war on them, this kind of blind selfishness being the worst thing there is. But Jack is so right. And God must be right when He calls all those people innocent, when He tells me I'm only raging against myself. Fighting is not the solution, and for some this seems to be the hardest lesson of all. It is for me. I would be beside myself with rage, for quite some time I wouldn’t be able tho think of anything but how to wage war on them, this kind of blind selfishness being the worst thing there is. But Jack is so right. And God must be right when He calls all those people innocent, when He tells me I’m only raging against myself. Fighting is not the solution, and for some this seems to be the hardest lesson of all. It is for me.

]]> By: Jack van Raders http://www.godwriting.org/godwriting/heroes-and-value-clarification-bob-kearns.htm#comment-81885 Jack van Raders Sun, 13 Dec 2009 21:34:00 +0000 http://www.godwriting.org/godwriting/heroes-and-value-clarification-bob-kearns.htm#comment-81885 No I forget about it I would not accept their money and sleep at night If the greed does keep them awake fine if not also fine. Someone ordered $4000.- worth of fruit we got $500.- and a lot of excuses which we heard al before. So let it be I hope he does well we will not sell any more to them and others now have to pay up front. Why fight for 12 years. Like this year some one ordered a lot for $7.500 When it was ready He could not pay it is still in the freezer. so money wise we are short but sleepwise very good. We are happy and nothing worries us.let others worry about their lifes and let no one influence your Happyness. No I forget about it I would not accept their money and sleep at night If the greed does keep them awake fine if not also fine. Someone ordered $4000.- worth of fruit we got $500.- and a lot of excuses which we heard al before. So let it be I hope he does well we will not sell any more to them and others now have to pay up front. Why fight for 12 years. Like this year some one ordered a lot for $7.500 When it was ready He could not pay it is still in the freezer. so money wise we are short but sleepwise very good. We are happy and nothing worries us.let others worry about their lifes and let no one influence your Happyness.

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