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Reply from LaVerne on July 7, 2007

Beautifull, very inlighting, Thank You

Reply from Gloria on July 8, 2007

How can there possibly be only one response to this writing? Where is everyone?!!!

When I was waiting in the doctor’s office, I was reading Newsweek, and saw letters to the editor on this very subject. There were beautiful comments, some pro the above, and some con, and all made their vital point so well.

Laverne, many thanks for you, angel.

Reply from Berit on July 9, 2007

That’s excately IT:

“I believe there is something infinitely beautiful and precious in every being which deserves to be considered and loved.”

“When one is harmed, all are harmed. When one is helped, all are helped.”

It should really be so simple to share all that we have, all that Mother Earth bestows on us so lovingly.
I did think this when I was a child, not understanding why the grown ups couldn’t just share. Why should the Earth not be enough for all people to have a confortable place to live in? Why must people have more and more, and the more they have the more they want. I still don’t know why.
The declaration of indipendence of Thomas Jefferson is amazing and breathtaking. Many people of today have a complete lack of this awareness, it’s unbelievable.

A wonderful posting dear Gloria, thanks to you and Lady Isis!!!
Love
Berit

Reply from Pam (fortheloveofGodde) on July 14, 2007

Unfortunately for the Native Americans, for women, for non-landowners, for indentured servants and for slaves, the Declaration of Independence had little meaning. But yes, it is a beautifully written document.

However, that is not the discussion at hand. It’s about open borders, making us all one. It’s a lovely concept, and a goal worthy working toward. It seems all those who are argue for closing the borders forget they are the product of immigrants.

Personally, I find it difficult to be totally pro or con on all aspects. As Gloria pointed out, there are cogent arguments for both sides.

In my opinion, TOTALLY open borders at this point in time is not good.

However, again in my opinion, quotas and profiling are just plain wrong. I also think, though, that we must have some way or some control to prevent known terrorists or criminals free access. Homeland Security is not the answer. I don’t know what the answer is, but I do know that the jack-booted thugs of Homeland Security have proved inefficient, rude, and despicable. Sorry … I am working on not judging, but this bunch makes it hard to put into practice.

In my dreams, there is an immigration center filled with light workers who pass those of love and light to enter freely. Those others not yet enlightened are not rejected–never rejected–but instead are allowed to feel the love and acceptance that is theres. Allowed to “remember” their true selves before entering.

I think this immigration center is not in the U.S. or Europe or anywhere specific to our ego-based creator selves. Instead, I think this immigration center is the entryway to our higher selves.

Websites like this with Godwriter Gloria and Heavenpetals writers, like Lady Isis and Aquarius and all those who write and read and contribute are these lightworkers.

I know I came in as an “other” to this place. I entered the portal looking for a better life, just like any other immigrant.

What I found were lightworkers helping to pave the way.

Ultimately, as more people decide to immigrate to the light, these issues will become less and less important. And as they become less important, there will be no need to keep such stringent controls.

The walls will come down, just like the walls of Jericho, as the vibrations raise higher and higher.

Until that time, it is up to us to show the way. We have a voice in what is done and how. Let your representatives know how you feel on the issues, and let them know, kindly, that your vote depends on how well you are represented.

So like Lady Isis says, let’s raise that torch of freedom–not just in the U.S., but everywhere.

Reply from franklin juarez on September 9, 2007

What a beautifull messsage. Thank you with all my heart
dear Lady Isis

Reply from Sachuman1 on September 23, 2007

It appears that Gloria lives in a pleasant place where she doesn’t have to deal with the ugly consequences of having millions of illegals pouring into the U.S. faster than they can be absorbed. How many illegals can there be in Fairfield, Iowa where Gloria lives? It’s one thing to preach about letting millions of poor illegals into the country and it’s another thing to actually have to deal with them on a daily basis. There have been so many illegals have entered the U.S. that many parts of this country look like the god awful places they’ve left. I live in Sacramento, California and I’ve seen California become a nothing more than a suburb of Mexico with the same problems that exist down there. School districts in California are struggling to cover the costs to educate the never ending flow of illegals. Emergency rooms in California are closing because they can no longer afford to provide health services to the crush of illegals without health insurance. Wages for the lower working class continue to decline due to the never ending flow of cheaper labor from across the border. Spanish is becoming the primary language. Like Mexico, California has a small ruling elite who are extremely wealthy and corrupt along withy a huge lower class who are poorly educated. Crime is out of control in California. Well organized gangs selling drugs from Mexico and Central America are firmly entrenched now in most parts of the state. Every night there are drive by shootings in many neighborhoods including mine. Many Mexicans seem to like to drive after they’ve been drinking and there have been some horrific accidents because of this. Most of my neighbors are Mexicans. Unfortunately many of them like to sit out in front of their houses and get drunk on a daily basis while loudly blasting their rancheria music late into the evening. When I ask them to please turn down their music they just ignore me. It’s become a awful nightmare and I’m sick of it! California is what the rest of the U.S. will become within the next few years. I feel as though the angels have given up on this place. IT’S BECOME HELL AND I WANT OUT!

Reply from Gloria on September 23, 2007

Dear Sachuman,

Thank you for posting and saying what you honestly feel.

You are right that Iowa isn’t filled with people from Mexico. (I just can’t call people illegals.)From your point of view, I live in an ivory tower. Undoubtedly, I do. I am involved with Heavenletters all day which is a blessing. My whole life is a blessing.

I remember my parents were immigrants once, and were not regarded highly. Thank God they came here so I could be born here.

I used to live in Sacramento. My daughter was born there.

I would not like loud music any more than you do. I would not like drug dealers around any more than you do. I have to tell you that there are white Americans in Iowa who play their music too loud and also drug dealers in the corn fields of Iowa.

There are always “good” reasons to excuse ourselves from coming from the goodness of our hearts. I just don’t know how we who are so fortunate can be heartless. I would hope that we could be good neighbors to people less fortunate than we are.

God bless you.

With love,

Gloria

Reply from Sachuman1 on September 24, 2007

Yes, it must be a blessing to write lovely heavenletters all day in a beautiful home that is far removed from drug dealers, crime and loud demonic music. So Gloria, why do you no longer live in Sacramento? Perhaps you left Sacramento for the same reasons that I no longer want to live here? My ancestors, who immigrated to this country LEGALLY, were also not highly regarded because they were Mennonites. However, my ancestors worked hard, they were not given government handouts nor did they expect handouts, and they were always respectful of other people. The difference between my ancestors and the illegals pouring into the U.S. now is that most illegals seem to have a sense of entitlement that this country owes them everything. Most of these illegals don’t respect themslves, other people or the planet. They fly their Mexican flags while marching around demanding their rights and then drop litter along the way. Maybe you should move back to South Sacramento where I live and try living with these people on a daily basis–this is where the real test of unconditional love is! On the other hand, perhaps you should just stay in Iowa and invite some illegals to move in with you and support them with your own funds? I apologize, but I’m very frustrated with the whole situation right now. I’m thinking what kind of God or higher power would create these awful people?

Reply from Gloria on September 24, 2007

Dear Friend,

I love that you care, and you care enough to write back.

You are passionate about this issue. And so am I!

We come from a different place in every way, don’t we?
I like that your strength makes my point of view clearer to me. You strengthen me! At the same time — well,
someone told me once not to take a position, because once we take a position, we hold firm, like we can’t budge from it. So here we are, you and I, on opposite sides of the street.

I understand your frustration. Please don’t think I’m someone who doesn’t get frustrated. I get frustrated ten times a day. Most of my frustration is with my computer that won’t cooperate, with my printer, etc. And please don’t think I’m someone who imagines that I have unconditional love to give.

Can we forget for a moment the specifics of what we’re talking about? Friend, no matter whom you would be talking about, I would be unhappy to read things like this:

“…these awful people…”

I know my parents were called that when they came to this country. They were called greenhorns and made fun of. I believe the same discourteous things were said about the Irish and the Italians. They were not Americans and didn’t do things the way the Americans thought they should. I am so sorry this happened to the Mennonites. It should never have happened.

When the white man first came to America, the shoe was on the other foot. He called the people who already lived here ignorant. He judged them because they didn’t think the same way he did, didn’t even speak the same language, didn’t look the same, act the same. The white man went further and solved his difficulties by killing the people who had always lived here.

Legal is fine but legal means man’s law. I don’t see that it makes anyone superior. Under God’s law, we are all equal to be on Earth. God didn’t make such designations nor the boundaries that make us think we’re better than people from other cultures — or anyone.

I left Sacramento after my divorce. There seemed no reason to stay there. I went back east where my family was.

Now, dear one, I looked high and low and couldn’t find you on the Heavenletter mailing list. How do you know of Heavenletters? How did you find this blog?

I thank you for coming here and telling us what you feel. It is brave of you, I think. I wish more people would. I respect you for it. And you came back to read responses, and I wish more people would do that. But it can’t be that you and I are the only ones who care.

With love and blessings,

Gloria

Reply from Sachuman1 on September 24, 2007

Gloria, thank you for your patience. You asked how I found your blog. I’m not sure. I was surfing the internet and was led to your blog somehow. Divine intervention? I came to your blog without an invitation like so many illegals have done in this country. Perhaps I have upset your peaceful loving version of what the world should be like so many of the illegals have done for my world here in Sacramento?

You cringed when I spoke how I honestly feel about so many of the illegals from Mexico that have moved into Sacramento. If there was a group of people who moved into your neighborhood and made your life a living hell, perhaps the thought that these people are awful might come across your mind? What makes them awful is not that they are different or that they come from somewhere else, but so many of them are just plain obnoxious people who do not respect others or themselves. They’ve brought crime, gangs, drugs and turned entire neighborhoods into war zones.

I’ve read that illegal Mexicans are the fastest growing group in Iowa and that entire towns (such as those with meat packing plants) are changing Iowa overnight. Perhaps you will soon be a minority in Fairfield, Iowa and have to learn Spanish? Why not take up my suggestion and invite some illegals to move in with you and support them with your own funds?

Have you heard of La Raza or MEChA? What La Raza and MEChA leaders want is to “reconquer” much of the Western U.S. and bring the mythical nation of Aztlan into reality–by violent means if necessary. These groups are no different to the Klu Klux Klan with their overtly racist ideologies, yet the media still does nothing to expose them for what they are. Many powerful politicians in California have been or are affiliated with La Raza & MEChA including L.A. Mayor Villaraigosa, Assemblyman Fabian Nunez, Calif. Senator Gil Cedillo, former Lt. Gov. Bustamante, and U.S. Rep. Joe Baca to name a few. The MECHA, motto is, “Everything for the race, for those outside the race nothing,â€? and La Raza, means “The Raceâ€? in Spanish. The radical group MEChA (Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan) has chapters on most University and high school campuses around the country. “Por la raza todo” (Everything for the race) is in the preamble of El Plan Espiritual de Aztlán and the slogan of MEChA, the Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán (Chicano Student Movement of Aztlán).

Here some facts for you from the Ames Tribune:

MEXICAN IMMIGRANTS IN IOWA BY THE NUMBERS

* 80,000: foreign-born Mexicans living in Iowa (86 percent of the total Latino population).
* 80 to 90: percentage of Latino immigrants in Iowa who are undocumented.
* 46/38: Gender breakdown (male and female) of Iowa Latino immigrants.
* 23: Median age for Latino immigrants in Iowa.
* 70: percentage of foreign-born Latinos in Iowa who have less than a high school education - second only to Indiana out of nine Midwestern states (the others are Illinois, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Ohio and Wisconsin).
* $28,300: median household income for foreign-born Latinos living in Iowa.
* 40: Percentage of Latino immigrants in Iowa who own their own homes. In comparison, the rate is 60 percent in Minnesota and 70 percent in Wisconsin.

NATIONAL LATINO IMMIGRATION TRENDS

Population
* Mexicans account for 80 to 90 percent of Hispanic immigrants in the Midwest. Nationally they make up 63 percent.
* One out of 10 native-born Mexicans now lives in the U.S.
* Latinos are projected to make up 24 percent of the estimated 425 million U.S. population by the year 2050.

Education
* One out of every four Latino immigrants has less than a 9th grade education.
* Other education percentages: 16.5 percent 9-12, 28 percent high school graduates. Many had a primary education of some sort outside the U.S. before immigrating.
* Nearly two out of every 10 elementary and high school students in the U.S. is Latino

Reply from Gloria on September 24, 2007

Dearest,

First of all, will you kindly subscribe to Heavenletters? Give Heavenletters a chance? You can subscribe here:
http://www.heavenletters.org/maillist/index.php Will you do it? Or tell me, and I’ll subscribe you.

I would also love a name to address you with. I do not know if you are a man or woman.

Since we are honest with each other, I have to tell you that the facts impress me not one bit. I will listen to God over facts any day of the week.

I read the facts differently from you. If someone comes here with less than a 9th grade education, let’s give him more education. Is it not a privilege to give someone an education?

I will remind you that my mother and father came here with no formal education. None. They did not know each other until many years later, but my father was 18 when he came, and my mother was 12. My father put x’s in chalk or in stone on the sidewalk so he could find his way around. My father went to night school and when the teacher put him in the second grade, he was so afraid that he could not live up to it, he never went back. My mother at twelve put her hair up and went right to work.

The people you would exclude from U.S. are or will be someone’s mother and father, and you do not know what good to this country one of their children may bring.

Of course I do not like the MECHa motto: “Everything for the race, for those outside the race nothing…” I have to ask you: Is this motto all that different from what you are saying?

Dear One, I am not patient with you! You make me think of a lot of things to say, and I am grateful for that.

I think friends let each other have their say.

With love and blessings,

Gloria

Reply from Sachuman1 on September 24, 2007

Are you listening to God, or are you listening to your ego?

I am a spiritual being who is having a physical experience. There are certain constraints or laws that must but observed when we agree to incarnate in human form. In the same manner, humans up set up systems with laws that must be observed or there will be consequences. The citizens of California are experiencing the negative consequences of our government’s complete failure to enforce immigration laws. No doubt Iowa will eventually experience the same negative consequences of open borders as well. Maybe you should be careful of what you wish for?

Can’t you see how selfish it is for illegals to jump ahead of others who are trying to enter the country legally? You mentioned that your father and mother immigrated to this country—did they come to this country legally or did they selfishly jump ahead of others who were trying to enter this country legally? I work with a woman who came to this country legally from the Philippines. It took her years to be able to get here legally and she is still trying to get the rest of her family here legally. She sadly said how unfair it is to see millions of Mexicans just drive over the border and stay here illegally and then demand their rights when it has taken her and her family years to do enter this country legally.

So you want to ignore U.S. immigration laws, which other laws do you want us to ignore? Maybe you don’t like our country’s tax laws and want to ignore those laws too? You stated that the U.S. should provide an education to anyone who enters the country, but where will the money come from to educate people if most citizens of this country choose to ignore U.S. tax laws? What about traffic laws—can you imagine the chaos that would occur if everyone just ignored traffic laws?

Finally, if God is speaking to you so strongly on this issue, when are you going to open your home and your wallet to families who have entered this country for a better life? You appear to have a large spread where many illegal families could live. You do not know what good to this country one of their children could bring! So just do it!

Reply from Lady Isis on September 25, 2007

Dear m h,
You have every right to your feelings and opinion. I will now share mine. .

I once lived in Southern California and was in a very abusive relationship. Had it not been for a Mexican family who took me and my two children in and shared what little they had with us, there is no doubt in mind I wouldn’t be here today. I have families of Mexican’s living near me and they are no different than the caucasion, black or vietnamese. Oregon is a melting pot of people from all over the world.

Not all human beings no matter where they are from, have consideration for others when it comes to loud music and just making noise. There are Oregonians who resent Californian’s, they say they have caused the price of housing to raise here. That is as not true.

Whatever you take on and oppose you are energizing.What you resist persists. And could it possibly be karma? California once belonged to Mexico.

When you stop to look back on the history of this planet the only actual real American is the Indian. The rest of us, ALL our ancestors, came from another country to make a better life for us and our families . . . . our ancestors were poor and arrived in this country with little or nothing. How can we in a country that has what this one does not share with others that have nothing? Why can’t we open our hearts and love all of our brothers and sisters? For it does not matter what color our skin, what our religious or politcal beliefs are . . . . we are but one family . . . . the human family and made with love by the same Creator. Inside we are all ONE.

I look for the divinity within every man and woman. I believe there is something infinitely beautiful and precious in every being which deserves to be considered and loved. How could there be any less since we are ALL ONE with the Source of ALL That IS? By seeking the divinity in each man and in each woman, I show faith and love for the Creator/Source of All That Is. Therefore also showing love for you and for myself.

Holding resentment is like you taking poison and hoping the next guy will die. It only hurts you.

I pray to one see mankind coming together and stop the bigotry, the hate and resentment. For until that happens there cannot be peace on Earth.

Are you your brothers keeper?

Yes! For “you” are your brother.

I wish you Joy, Love & Peace,
Isis
“Lady of the Light”

Reply from Lady Isis on September 25, 2007

Here are the lyrics to two songs that says it all…

The road is long
with the many winding turns
that leads us to
who knows where?

But I’m strong.
Strong enough to carry him.
He ain’t heavy, he’s my brother.

So on we go.
His welfare is my concern.
No burden is his to bear.
We’ll get there.

For I know
he would not encumber me.
He ain’t heavy, he’s my brother

If I’m laden at all,
I’m laden with the sadness
that everyone’s heart isn’t filled
with the gladness of love for one another.

It’s a long, long road
from which there is no return.
While we’re on our way to there,
why not share?

And the load doesn’t weigh me down at all.
He ain’t heavy, he’s my brother.

What the world needs now is love, sweet love
It’s the only thing that there’s just too little of
What the world needs now is love, sweet love,
No not just for some but for everyone.

What the world needs now is love, sweet love
It’s the only thing that there’s just too little of
What the world needs now is love, sweet love,
No, not just for some but for everyone.

Lord, we don’t need another mountain,
There are mountains and hillsides enough to climb
There are oceans and rivers enough to cross,
Enough to last till the end of time.

What the world needs now is love, sweet love
No, not just for some but for everyone.

What the world needs now is love, sweet love
It’s the only thing that there’s just too little of
What the world needs now is love, sweet love,
No, not just for some, oh, but just for
Every, every, everyone.

I wish you Joy, Love & Peace,
Isis
“Lady of the Light”

Reply from Lady Isis on September 26, 2007

Re: re: re: Freedom

Dear m h,
From your first paragraph I gather you didn’t read my last email. . . . as I stated Oregon is a melting pot of many different Nationalities including Mexican and yes, even on the National news as well as local. . . . there has been reports of illegal aliens here in Oregon they deported many, many back to Mexico, thereby tearing families apart and leaving behind American born children, as they are left in limbo… not Mexican citizens, so they can’t go with their parents to Mexico and have no one to take them here in America . . . . Land Of The Free. . . . if they are allowed to be.

I have not idea where you go the idea Oregon is overwhelmingly Caucasian (over 90%). Nothing could be further than the truth. I repeat; Oregon is a melting pot of many different Nationalities; Chinese, Vietnamese, Mexican, Cuban, German, English, African and more I am sure.. On the block where I live there is 4 different Nationalists.

And my dear . . . .crime, corruption, drugs, poverty, gangs, loud music, and hopelessness also lives here in Oregon as well as every state in the Union. California doesn’t have ‘ownership’ of these life experiences, we all do. They are all around me, but don’t bother me …. you know why? Allowance and non-resistance to crime, corruption, drugs, gangs, loud music. The poverty and hopelessness I do all I can do to help with.

I key is how do we ‘react’ to them? You want then out of your life? It is very simple really. Stop resisting them. Accept them for what they are. Thereby not drawing them unto yourself. You chose these experiences no one forced them on you. You chose to live in California. Although it wouldn’t have mattered where it was you chose to live because you would still have had to experience the things you chose to experience in this lifetime and learn how to handle them. Your experiences are based upon the choices that you make. Each one of those choices has the potential to take you down a different fork in the path. To experience a different level of Soul-growth.

“The law of attraction, by its very existence, decrees there are no victims. You live in a universe of perfect justice. We know some of you will argue with that. But the law of attraction always — no exceptions — matches whatever your vibration is. And so every experience you have in this lifetime is there because you drew it to you.

“You are not disempowered victims. You are powerful creators.

“All of you create in your own way and in your own time. You cannot avoid creating your own realities. Sure, you can choose to make no choices. But that, in itself, is a choice. And so you create everything, everyone in your life. You cannot not create. But you do create by default or by deliberate choice.”

~ Chief Joseph ~

You have choices and in all choices there are negative and positive. Choose wisely. Choose peace over war, love over hate, forgivness over vengence. Feel those energies of peace and love that creates the feeling of joy. Hate, bigotry, vengence . . . all of these negative choices create the chaos in your world. Be the Love that brings Peace to the world.

You are the Creator in every way of your own reality, and you create that reality from your perceptions, beliefs of who you are and ideas about that reality. You are a powerful being.

Perception is one of the most important words in your life. It determines your outlook on life. It controls the A, B, C’s of daily existence. What are the A, B, C’s? A-ttitude which equals B-ehavior which equals C-onsequences. Change perception and you change the A, B, C’s.

What you presume something to be may not necessarily be true and that perception (judgement) controls your attitude towards it, which in turn will control your behavior towards it and the consequences (end result) will all stem from your perception of the given situation.

Perception is all there is… the rest is illusion.

Like Gloria, I wish you would read Heavenletters. I also wish you would read my daily newsletter, you would receive much encouragement from both.

Now, it matters not to me whether or not you believe what I say to you…. Again that is your choice. I say it all, with love in my heart for you, and all of mankind.

This is my last reply on this subject.

I wish you Joy, Love & Peace,
Isis
“Lady of the Light”

Reply from Gloria on September 26, 2007

Dear Isis,

I love every word you write. It is hard for me to understand how everyone does not feel this way.

It may be that Sachuman1 was responding to a posting of mine and was referring to Iowa rather than Oregon. Not that that’s point anyway. I love how you say everyone is our brother, and I am my brother.

Sachuman1, you haven’t answered my questions either.

God bless us all.

With love,

Gloria

Reply from Joie on February 23, 2008

Intellectually I adore and support and applaud the idea of the US being the world’s melting pot. I am not into boundariesfor the sake of boundaries and walls. I AM for LOVE. I am moved by kindness no matter who provides is. However — the issue is reduced to $$$ when that is the fuel that feeds the school systems, the emergency rooms, and welfare system, etc. That is the issue at hand when we ask for those who SHARE in our BLESSINGS - SHARE equally in the taxes that we all pay to provide and/or take part in the hospitals, schools and welfare systems. And THAT is the issue to be addressed.

Intellectual concepts don’t pay salaries. Ideas, goals and dreams can produce programs that incorporate all who have needs. I can no more take people into my home and feed, clothe and house them for free than most people could on a permanent basis. I HAVE participated in sponsoring refugees from Vietnam who as soon as they hit Iowa, moved to CA to live with those who had gone before. I was glad they escaped to a better life, but they had a skill and a place to land here while they worked to earn the tickets for those they left behind to join them.

There ARE categories of business that have come to rely on the labor of non-citizens, who will often work for less so they can live in the land of dreams and possibilities. There are truly jobs that most of us would not like to take and the Iowa slaughter houses rank pretty well up there - as anyone who watched the videos last week of abuses to animals while creating the attractively presented steak we order at a restaurant or the hamburger that we toss at our children as we drive thru the “do you want fries with that?” window.

The stats that our contributing writer offered are impressively prepared.

My daughter sells real estate. An industry already struggling. Her brother-in-law and wife were let go by an automotive industry job because we have found markets outside the US, and also the inflated oil situation made worse by Bush’s war.

Her BIL’s home has a neighbor who has a yard that displays every conceivable type of purchase imaginable, thus impacting the value of the home they are trying to sell. Again, this neighbor is not Mexican, altho my SIL is. The impact of having a neighbor who is demonstrating total lack of respect for the neighborhood by living in such chaos is exactly a mirror of what the writer above is trying to address.

Nobody is trying to keep anyone “out” who is willing and demonstrates responsibilty to live by the same rules our country asks of every citizen.

In fact, if you want some real eye-opening information, do a goggle hunt of what the laws are for an outsider to become a Mexican citizen!!

Yes, we are all sons and daughters of immigrants. Immigrants who most likely were not treated well at the beginning of their early years here. Those stories are legendary, as they created their own neighborhoods and fought the wars within cities that they once waged in prejudices in the ‘old’ country. We became a more homogenous society when the exchange of good served the whole and began the spirit of cooperation that exists in most parts of our country today.

The same reasoning fosters cooperation between nations. Yet in some less-enlightened and developed countries, the old ways of control and fear keep people enslaved and create conflicts which vibrate at a much lower frequency than those of us who are always looking “up” for the best life we can demonstrate.

The concept of “Give us your tired, your poor,” still lives. And as we embraced more and more to our country, we developed reasonable standards for those in order to maintain a balance for good of the whole. If a clinic closes due to the overload of people using it for free. I know of no medical facility that can get enough supplies donated to stay in business. Hospitals are not charity wards, altho they are becoming so - and even bandaids, gauze and antibiotics cost money. The companies who manufacture them do not “give” them away. The shareholders would revolt! I do not know of a country where people can steal from others simply by showing up, but I could be wrong and if so, I trust someone will write to me an tell me in no uncertain terms that I am!

Being in America is still available to those who agree to carry their own weight. What I think we resent is when the balance is thrown off by those who are not willing to respect the balance.

There is “God’s law.” There is “human law.” One is an ideal. The other is borne of necessity. And they are not that far apart……..

“Render unto God, that which is God’s and render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s” was once stated by a very wise man who walked the earth a couple of thousand years ago.

It says in a few words what I tried to say in a few hundred. It isn’t about prejudice or unfairness. In fact, it is about balance and fairness to all. ~ Joie who used to live in Iowa near Gloria, has lived in the SE and now resides in the Midwest once again.

Trackback from Eric on June 16, 2008

Eric…

I really agree with you….

Reply from Gloria on June 16, 2008

Beloved Eric, which one of us do you agree with?!!

I never responded to the comment directly above yours, but I will now.

I know money is often given as justification for selfishness, as though money must come before kindness, dollars and cents before everything else. The idea that someone who is poor and hungry has to pay before he can come to live where there is opportunity seems so short-sighted, I can hardly bear it.

Reply from Joie on August 3, 2008

Just now I saw this addition to the discussion and just ask, how are the hospital workers, the medical clinicians and equipment to serve to be paid for?

I don’t consider it selfishness to define the currency under which they must operate.

I’m not saying at all that someone should suffer due to monetary constraints. I am saying that in order for employees to work at those facilities and feed their own families, there is a necessary exchange of dollars which they in turn use for housing, food, clothing and all of the items necessary for familial support.

Do you give away your books for free? Do you hold your seminars for free? I imagine there are exceptions, but have you given free books to everyone regardless of whether they could pay? You do offer your website for everyone to read. That is a form of giving and it is most welcomed. How about those who don’t have access to computers? Do you give your books away so they can read God’s writings thru you?

Acknowlege you have to pay to have your books published. You have to pay to have them shipped. You have to pay the airlines to transport you to your workshops.

Money is not an evil. It is a tool and I stand on my statement that those whoc ome to work here, are welcomed and should welcome the opportunity to be subjected to the same tax laws as those of us who pay for their support. “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s” is not a new philosphy.

What point can I possibly be missing in this discussion?
~ Joie

Reply from BARBARA on January 3, 2009

We can only do so much….when they come here illegally and know how to work our
system, then we have a problem. We are overcrowded…they are using up all our natural resources, they plague our welfare system, hospitals, free medical care and medications while we Americans are struggling to pay for our medical care and paying taxes at the same time. Remember how we struggled to buy our first car, furnishings,
etc. for years? They get theirs in a few years…is that fair? A foreigner has a better house in a short time than we do. Is it fair that we work and pay taxes for years and then Medical will not pay for theraphy so we can return to work, but will pay a young
girl who is in the country illegally a $500,000.00 kidney transplant…one who has never put a dime into the system? One who will have a lot of babies that we, the tax payer will have to support because they are anchor babies? Would you dig deep
into your pocket to pay for these things? It’s so easy to spend someone else’s money rather than your own. I say charity begins at home first.

Reply from Gloria on January 4, 2009

Beloved Barbara, who is THEY?

Reply from Jochen on January 4, 2009

I am a foreigner, but since - as has been clearly stated here - this is a universal issue, perhaps it’s all right for me to add a few words.

Everyone is entitled to have and voice their own opinions, this too has been said here. Yet I feel that if we stay on the level of opinions, clashing ones at that, we will experience a need to be right and the other one to be wrong - even to the point where we feel things like, “How can anyone think that way?”, implying that there must be something the matter with their thinking or even with them. But all I can be really sure of when I think about you that way is that there must be something the matter with MY thinking.

“Your running around and fretting do not soothe the world. Your tackling this matter or that matter do not abet peace in the world.”

This is from Heaven #1436, The Power of Your Mind. I would like to quote some more from it since it is about “unwelcome guests” among other things. It basically says that our thinking, correct as well as incorrect, will not do any good in the world unless it comes from the peace born of silence. If it does not come from there, it tends to be “self-aborbed and self-consuming” and is not really about something out there in the world, be it immigrants or whatever. Those things only serve to bring on my old ways of thinking that merely replay themselves on and on. Are they my thoughts at all when they tend to be so automatic? Do they have life? “Let your thoughts be your own true thoughts and not those foisted on you.” But my thoughts do feel like my own true thoughts! How could it be otherwiese? I won them through careful observation and deliberation. But if I did, how come they don’t soothe me or anyone, how come they don’t bring about positive change? Because being right is NOT what makes my thoughts beneficial, helpful, healing, enlightening. For that, they only have to be my own true thoughts. What are my own true thoughts, how can I recognize them?

“In life, when you go to a well, and the water in the well is not beneficial, you go to another well. Consider your mind a well, and your thoughts the water you pull up. When your thoughts are not beneficial or darken you or agitate you, imagine a new well and go to other thoughts. Let your thoughts be your own true thoughts and not those foisted on you. You, who find thoughts waiting for you, can also create them. Maybe you have to dig a new well. Maybe you have to clear out the old one.
   ”You would not let unwelcome guests into your home. You would not accept every intruder. You make your home a comfortable haven. Make your mind, the home of your thoughts, the same.
   ”The only robbers that can take away your peace of mind are those you are open to. You can politely send robbing thoughts away and call on other thoughts to come. For every fearful thought that gains admittance, substitute a blessing thought. Instead of a doubtful one, a confident one. Instead of a fear one, a love one.”

Does that mean we close our eyes to the world? Hardly. “Do not think you are a slacker because your restore yourself with peace.”

Reply from Barbara on January 8, 2009

To Gloria….”they” are the illegal latinos who cross our borders and bring along with
them illness that we have conquered once before…also, the Iranians who come here and act as tho this is THEIR COUNTRY, but learn to work our system in not paying
taxes, getting food stamps, free medical care. Do you think I worked blood, sweat and
tears for them? No, it is for all us hardworking tax paying Americans. The immigrants of yesteryear came here legally, worked heir asses off, paid their taxes and worked to build this into a great country. The ones who come today take from our system and
not put a penny into it. you call that fair??

Reply from Gloria on January 8, 2009

From a Heavenletter written down yesterday:

When all know love, what else is needed? What rules or laws will be needed or thought of in a world that loves its neighbors as itself? What individual will lack love and therefore covet anything? Who will not leap to the forefront of giving love out right and left. Love will fill the world, and how happy the world will be. How happy you will be! You will bear the arms of love, and you will not know anything else. You will love perfection, and you will love imperfection, or you may not see anything that isn’t perfectly what it is.

You will be everyone and everything. Separation will be unheard of. All will be One, and Oneness will be all there is. You will call the meeting, and Unity will convene on Earth

May all your needs be met and all your dreams come true, dear Barbara.

Reply from Brenda Freo` on July 21, 2009

This is the first time I’ve seen this God Writing blog.
Today/NOW it is July 21, 2009. I receive The Heaven Letters by way of others forwarding it to me. Gloria you are a very beautiful person!! Thank you for your w o r k!! It is very fulfilling to this one who was waiting 30 years for this point in our time TO FINALLY COME. I am one of the Live in the NOW ones grounding all this into our beloved Earth. I was Earth born assuming this body in 1942 (as it turns out now) to ascend in. Or should I say through. The very odd thing is I totally FEEL that I have ascended already and in my experience of The Eternal NOW where the ONE who is all that is IS… My Daddy taught me about ‘consciousness and how we are the ETERNAL ONE’ whom is all things created and uncreated, as yet. He taught me that I AM what he called THE NOW GENERATION and he called everything the ONE ‘we’…all are.

May the GOD ONE WE ARE let you sense how GLAD I AM to find this place.

Yours in Service to the ONE,
Brenda McCann aka Freo7
Winchester, ID USA Earth & Beyond

Reply from Gloria on July 21, 2009

Beloved Brenda, how happy we are that you found us!

Please sign up for Heavenletters directly! We want you in our Consciousness Bank!

And please post often!

You will like the Heavenletter Spiritual Community Forum too!

Loving you,

Gloria

Reply from Birgit Jonas on October 4, 2009

Hi, this is Birgit, writing from Germany,
There are a lot of foreign people, also illegal ones, in Germany and in the European Union, but very often they are caught and then they may spend even years in camps, waiting in uncertainty. We have the same discussions over here and what I like to add is this: The rich countries like USA and Europe have been taking resources from the so-called 3. world, we dump garbage over there, we test vaccines in Africa and India, create one war after the next for most suspicious reasons and the list goes on and when those victims knock on our doors, we don´t want them. But when a stranger comes and I have the chance to learn that they truly aren´t very different from me, (in fact, maybe the one I am meeting is someone I might know from another life)- that´s a reason for gratitude, indeed. It may be uncomfortable, maybe we are challenged by differences but these challenges help us grow. And I am sure that most would stay in their homeland if they could. Did you know that the smoke of our factories is causing weatherpatterns to be totally different, so much as to cause that the deserts of Africa are growing and formerly fertile lands don´t have any rain anymore. I think its really time to reconsider our attitudes and our behaviour. And most of all, with reasoning, with mind, with ego and 3 D we will not solve any problems, that is impossible. For that we do have to go into our hearts and connect to higher consciousness - maybe like a mother helping the children to find a peaceful way to stop quarreling and have fun again.
Love to you all
Birgit

Reply from Gloria on October 4, 2009

Beloved Birgit,

Here’s how I see it:

People who need places to live need to be welcomed. They need to be welcomed because they are God’s children.

Whether or not the country in which I live and that I love has been stealing or not is not the issue. Neighborly love is.

We don’t owe because of our misdeeds.

Do you know what I am trying to say?