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Reply from One on May 16, 2009

Do Godwriting workshops focus more on making oneself receptive to Godwrite than they do on Godwriting?

I remember many years ago when I was initiated into Kriya Yoga pranayama by Yogiar SAA Ramiah, he started the class way before sunrise. He entered the room. Everyone went silent. He sat down and went to sleep. He may have snored. Some people got agitated. After a while he opened his eyes and started talking about anything and everything but pranayama. The class was meant to end at a certain time so people could go to work afterwards. People were getting more agitated. Yogiar went on unphased. Then very politely he asked if anyone had some urgent matters to take care of and if they had to be elsewhere because it was getting late. He asked those folk to put there hands up. Then he very politely asked them all to leave. Silence. At that point he said very clearly, with glowing eyes that this moment was more important in everyones’ life than anything else imaginable. It took him 15 minutes to demonstrate the technique and another hour or so to ensure that everyone had got the idea.

Senora, I would have to see and listen to you at more workshops before I facilitate a workshop! Meanwhile I will take care of handouts, pouring water and carrying bags.

In Romania I saw that something profound was happening on a subtle level. You did not appear to be doing anything. After the workshop I saw the expressions on the faces of people who had received something. It was like there was a thirst that was quenched. The best way I can describe it is that everyone had the expression of someone who had lost their car keys. Then after the workshop, many people had that expression of relief because they listened to you telling them that their car keys were in their pocket.

Reply from Charles Fines on May 16, 2009

Gloria, I hesitate to mention this and offer it only as a counter-balance. I find the idea of certificates for completing Godwriting courses highly disturbing. Having a personal momento to keep privately doesn’t bother me, but something which could be framed and displayed on a wall for purposes of ego or profit really sticks in my craw. It’s like the world system creeping in.

Reply from Gloria on May 16, 2009

I am so grateful for your openness, Charles. You sure have a point. I see what you mean. And I was oblivious.
Thank you so much!

Reply from Desert Rose on May 16, 2009

Dearest Gloria,

Charles does make a good point about the certificates. I guess the reason I liked the idea is because some people like “tangible” things. Not like an idol or an ego boost of “see what I did” but as a personal reminder. I’ve gone to spiritual seminars and I’ve always liked getting a little certificate at the end : ). However, Charles does bring up a good point.

Coming from a marketing background, my natural brain works on two levels. One in the natural where we need money to survive and yes God does provide. The second level is on the spiritual of how does this mesh with Spirit within. My actual thought of a newsletter would be to let people know what is going on w/ upcoming workshops, the forums, etc… and yes, you could “sell” ad space in the newsletter. Okay, ducking the flying tomatoes : ) Just kidding.

For Advanced workshops, I think what I mean is more along the lines of a basic God Writing workshop teaching what God writing is and how to do it. Then, having subsequent workshops focused toward specific God writing topics. Some examples below might include:

-Godwriting for overcoming grief
-Godwriting for overcoming depression
-Godwriting for career direction
etc…..

The workshops would be tailored to those wanting to God write on these subjects and to share their God writing. I think it would be exceptionally healing. Granted, not focusing on the pain but on the healing. Learning how to ask God the right questions would be an invaluable “tool.” For example, and this is just one example instead of asking God “why me” which I’m not saying that is a bad question but what about “what am I to learn from this?” Instead of “I can’t take it anymore” what about “God, how would you have me handle this?” You see reframing the questions, can net one clearer answers.

Gloria, you teach people how to talk to God and how to listen and hear. Yes, we ALL have the ability to do this, but opening our hearts, minds, and spirits to make the connection clear is the key. : )

Lastly, the idea of certificates, also has the benefit if you ever wish to allow people to start teaching God writing to others.. they would probably need some type of validation that they completed workshops through you and are experienced God Writers. Again, this is just my opinion, and I understand that for every benefit there could be a corresponding consequences. I know that you will ultimately make the very best decisions. I mean after all, just ask God what he/she think! : )

Best wishes Gloria. Anything I can do to assist, let me know.

Reply from Desert Rose on May 16, 2009

Dear One,
I couldn’t help but let you know, your post/comment touched my heart. The story you relayed made a strong point. Your Spirit comes through as loving, gentle, and humble. I hope I see you on the Heaven Letters forums. I’d like to read more of what is on your heart. Desert Rose

Reply from Gloria on May 16, 2009

First, response to One. Right off the bat, something wonderful you could do at Godwriting(tm) workshops is to tell this story to the people who come to a workshop. It could only come from you, dear One.

Desert Rose, your response to One is so delicate and sweet. Very nice. Your responses to me are the same.

There are always good reasons for doing something, and good reasons for not. There are things concerning Godwriting workshops that I’m very clear on. I feel strongly that topics are not to be assigned at a workshop. I would never give a topic. What people talk to God about is their prerogative. It is not for me to intrude. Godwriting is purely between God and the person. People can talk to God about anything they want. I am adamant that it is their choice. If I went to a Godwriting workshop and someone told me what to talk to God about, I would walk out!

Desert Rose, I do not teach people how to Godwrite. I don’t believe anyone can teach it. But, as you say so well, people can be opened up to it.

About becoming certified to give Godwriting workshops,
certainly, attending a Godwriting workshop would be a requirement before I would sanction anyone to give workshops. But that is only the beginning. There have been many wonderful amazing people who have taken Godwriting workshops, but because someone has taken a workshop doesn’t mean they are ready to help others learn. Someone would really have to desire it very much. For one thing, they would have to desire it enough to take many workshops.

One has been serving Heavenletters for six solid years. I know his heart very well. He has proved his dedication to God, Godwriting, and people a thousand times over. He has a vast and sensitive understanding of Godwriting and what it means to get closer to God. Beloved Desert Rose, you have already seen that One is loving, gentle, and humble. Those must be three of many requirements to be certified to give Godwriting workshops.

One and I will sit down together one day and we’ll see what qualifications there might be to certify people to give GW workshops.

Again, thank you for your caring!

Reply from Kate on May 16, 2009

Gloria, I am one of (I’m sure) many who would love to take an online Godwriting workshop with you!

(not so)Patiently waiting,

Kate

Reply from Kate on May 16, 2009

Woops, the link back to me on my previous comment was broken.

Reply from Berit on May 17, 2009

Dearest One,

indeed YOU could sit in perfect silence and love and grace would just flow and open all hearts and in perfect silence God would speak to all His children.
Thank you so much for sharing your wonderful experience dear.

Charles dear, I join your thoughts or doubts let us say, although I can see that to so some people a certificate of a Godwriting workshop may be of great value and that is perfectly ok.
The Divine can not be certificated, pass me these words just to get the idea. Godwriting and Godwriting workshops are a divine blessing showered by God’s Grace on His children.

I just would add to have a tiny attention that Godwriting and Heavenletters do not slip into the commercial aspects of the world, although we are of the world and are playing in it.

Much much love to all and a big hug
Berit

Reply from One on May 17, 2009

Senora, I’ll continue a little bit about the Kriya Yoga initiation here because its somehow related.

The experience of Yogiar Ramiah and his sharing of Kriya yoga was like an oasis from this dream. An oasis of Satva. It was like a bubble of clarity that did not shun or exclude or separate truth from untruth. When I look at the experience, I see so much more had taken place there than I was aware of then.

Here’s some observations. Yogiar not once claimed to be a guru or master. He gave all credit first to God and then to his master Kriya Babaji Nagaraj as one who would surely guide us to liberation. He was firm in his conviction and unhesitant. He munched happily on a chocolate chip cookie while scolding us for focusing on the cookie rather than meditation. When he ate he made a lot of noise and sucked his fingers with pleasure. What I saw was no separation from the Divine and Human. They came together in perfect harmony in Yogiar.

I saw conventions being broken unintentionally. I saw no rules or obligations, instead guidelines and devotion to a way towards something greater. I saw that many at the workshop were not receptive yet they received something and some were there in all seriousness and they too received something. I was there as a matter of life and death weary from the trance-like sleep.

To sum it all up I’d say the experience was an extraordinary experience that appeared to be ordinary.

Each of us had to register and at the end of the workshop we were given a registration number. From my number I gathered that there were well over 2000 others who had completed the workshop. I know Yogiar kept a record of every person who attended the workshop and each were given his personal contact details.

Before Kriya yoga I was unripe. Not tasty. Kriya yoga brings about ripening. It is a doing that is an undoing.

I feel the same way about Godwriting and Heavenletters. Through its own unique way Godwriting brings about ripening. Senora, in your own unique way, the Divine and the Human express as a unified harmonious whole. God gives Godwriting through you.

Reply from One on May 17, 2009

I would like to have a Godwriting certificate! It may be the only certificate I will put up on a wall! Let’s make the certificates optional ok? Those who want one may have one.

Reply from Gloria on May 17, 2009

Beloved Senor One, this strikes me as so very true:

“Through its own unique way Godwriting brings about ripening.”

Ripening is a great way to express it. I am so changed from eleven years of Godwriting that I can hardly recognize myself. Through Godwriting, God His wonders does perform.

In my case, slowly, slowly, slowly, imperceptibly, imperceptibly, imperceptibly the ripening — yet now the ripening, which is ongoing, is dramatic. It’s kind of like when we are children, and our bodies are growing taller. We don’t feel ourselves getting taller until our clothes don’t fit anymore. With Godwriting, instead of clothes, it’s our thoughts that don’t fit anymore.

Beloved One, where you say, “God gives Godwriting through you,” I think you are meaning that Godwriting(tm) comes through everyone who Godwrites.

Rather than say Godwriting comes through everyone who Godwrites, I’m inclined to say: “Godwriting comes TO everyone who Godwrites.” Okay, okay, I’m nit-picking! I realize also that I probably have used the word “through” one time or another! Yet I think there’s a distinction to be made.

I feel that Godwriting comes to me. I hear it (so subtly) yet I am fully aware. I “hear” the words, and I write down the words I hear.

I am sensitive about the word channeling. I know it can be used generically, yet I wouldn’t want anyone to mix up Godwriting with channeling. And people have.

Godwriting is receiving. And it is fully aware receiving. No trance or anything like that.

I don’t mean to open up a subject that is not our focus here so maybe no more needs to be said: Our focus is Godwriting, and Godwriting isn’t channeling.

Loving you all,

Gloria

Reply from Pam (fortheloveofGodde) on May 17, 2009

Gloria, thank you. Just yesterday I was trying to express the difference and hat I did not channel, that I listen and say what I am told. It is a hard distinction in that I do feel Godde in me, or Holy Spirit, I do know the feeling of being filled with spirit, but that is a more fleeting thing. Most of the time in a session, it is me opening up my eyes and ears to hear what Godde wants to tell someone. I do pray to be a clear ‘channel’, but I see it as more learning to tune in, like tuning into a radio channel. It’s not a channelling. Your explanation helped clarify.

Reply from Gloria on May 17, 2009

The simplest things seem to be the hardest to explain.

Certainly, we’re instruments. American Indian has the expression: Let me be as a hollow reed.

And, yet, it’s not really God “out there” who whispers to us, for He is within, and yet there’s the Big I and the little I.

I only know my experience. The little I is aware of hearing God (the big I) and well feel filled with the light of God.

Reply from Pam (fortheloveofGodde) on May 17, 2009

Yes, indeed. “The Kingdom of God is within.”

Reply from emilia on May 17, 2009

Dear Gloria, you say:”One and I will sit down together one day and we’ll see what qualifications there might be to certify people to give GW workshops”. Don’t you think that the best “qualification” is in the “quality” of what they write? I mean, why do not leave everything to the discernement of people. I know you Godwrite because I know it within myself, I feel it, regardless of what everybody else can believe or say. I think God wants we develop this inner sense and do not rely on others opinions.
Love

Reply from Gloria on May 17, 2009

I love this discussion!

Beloved Emilia, do you mean to leave it to an individual’s discretion?

If Godwriting is Godwriting, it’s Godwriting, and who is to say one person’s Godwriting is of better quality than another’s?

I’m talking about someone’s representing Heavenletters and leading Godwriting workshops.

I’ll make a blog entry in response to you, sweetheart.

Reply from emilia on May 17, 2009

Beloved Gloria, I mean that the only qualification needed is Godwriting. If it is Godwriting it will always be of the highest quality ( I refer to “quality” as an aspect of the inner truth of God’s Word) . If you have been blessed with Godwriting you can always teach how to do it. The voice of God will be recognized by those attuned. This Voice, spread throught HL, already has his brand, It doesn’t need further certifications.

Reply from Charles Fines on May 19, 2009

Ordinarily I would leave such a discussion alone but this business of certification has potential for great misuse as I see it. It would be nice if everyone in the world was as genuine and honest and self-denying as the people who post here, but that is not so.

There is a story about a man who observes the apostle Peter “giving” the Spirit of God to a group of people and he offers Peter money to teach him how to do this. Peter goes ballistic, rightfully so.

There are individuals today who might discover Heaven Letters as they become more widely known and see this thirst for true Spirit in people as a great way to make money.

There is no way that Gloria or anyone else could prevent someone from offering Godwriting courses, certificate or no, other than preventing the use of copyrighted words, and even that would be next to impossible.

This is not likely to be a big problem in the near future, but offering certificates would make it much easier and more enticing for someone to muddy the waters for profit.

I think Emilia is quite right in saying that this is all a matter of spiritual discernment and that Gloria is capable of knowing who is on the same page and who is not, as are most of us. However if certificates for completing a Godwriting course are given out indiscriminately with people’s names on them, the potential for abuse is greatly increased. And I doubt if Gloria wants to be in the position of discriminating who would get a certificate and who would not.

I may be making a mountain out of a molehill. My awe at the goodness of people such as hang out here is matched by my dismay at the exploitation and abuse of others in humanity at large. Some people are going to take advantage of any opportunity to misuse other, that’s a given. I’m all for giving such people the fewest possible opportunities.

It is a custom at ceremonies such as graduations or funerals to give everyone a small program or simple folded paper with the specific event named, the date, and other pertinent information including often a quote from someone or some writings.

It would be possible to make a computer template for such a “program” to be given out at each scheduled Godwriting course. It could have the name of the course, the date, the location, the schedule, and perhaps a short excerpt from a Heaven Letter as on existing web pages.

If someone wanted Gloria to write something on it such as “Thanks for your presence, love, Gloria” or “God bless you, Alphonso”, that still wouldn’t turn it into a certificate you could use to “prove” anything but would be a wonderful momento.

Maybe I’ve run into more than my share of people with degrees or ordinations or certificates who I wouldn’t trust to weed my garden or babysit or walk my dog and who make me frequently check to see if I still have my wallet. If Gloria found someone she trusted enough to let them lead a Godwriting course, her verbal assurance would be all the “certification” necessary for me.

Reply from Gloria on May 19, 2009

Beloved Charles, you know, that since your earlier words about giving diplomas to people who complete a Godwriting workshop, my whole feeling about them has changed. At the very moment I read your earlier few words, diplomas didn’t feel right to me.

You may suspect I go by feelings more than by reasoning! If I still felt that diplomas were right, what you mention above wouldn’t stop me one bit!

The fact is: I don’t feel good about issuing Godwriting diplomas anymore, not because of what could happen, but because I simply don’t feel good about them anymore.

It’s interesting, I always found the diplomas a lot of work! Something would go wrong. The printer would jam. At a Xerox place, they wouldn’t center the diplomas right etc. Now I wonder if deep down, without realizing it, I was reluctant.

I do kind of feel a formal diploma could cheapen the workshop. It is trying to make tangible that which is not tangible.

I am easily influenced. I don’t think I’m “influenced” by you, dear Charles. I think I was influenced by the magnificent gentleman in Greece who thought of them and had gone to the trouble of designing diplomas. He is a highly respected well-known man in Greece, and I respect, and I don’t think I thought at all.

I do wonder if such a certificate may be viewed differently in different cultures?

I agree with you that we could substitute something that is simpler. I like your idea. I had been thinking of some fun things, like those round pins — do you know the kind I mean, the kind that would say Vote or something — ours would GODWRITER in big letters, and we could hand them out. I also thought of a big star sticker that we could put on their notebook! These would be more for fun. I do like what you suggest.

One and I will talk it over.

I am beginning to feel that the people who post seriously, here and on the forum, are Heaven’s board of directors.